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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 01:05 #1016267

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Hello (and again i apologise for the english-written post).

I would like to know what are the rules regarding VHF in The Netherlands, since i bought a sailboat with a registered VHF but personally i have no certificate yet to operate it. The VHF has a callsign associated with the boat's name, and the former owner told me that i should keep it always on although i am just allowed to passively listen, but until i have the certificate i cannot operate it actively (i can listen but not talk unless on a distress situation).

I was searching for the legislation regarding it, and as usual in all maritime law it's all a bit a grey area: would an international certificate (like RYA) conducted in English be valid to operate VHF in NL waters?

Since my grasp of the Dutch language is absolutely not yet advanced enough for such a complex course, i would like to know if someone has some knowledge about the rules and international certificates also valid in The Netherlands, and if i need to present them to the authorities so my boat's VHF is assigned to me.

Another question is regarding the boat's name: my intention is to change the name of the boat after summer, should i also change it with the Agentschap Telecom and the insurance company? What is the procedure to change the name of a boat?

PS: the boat in question is a Dutch built, small 28 foot sailing yacht from 1978, a Fellowship 28

Alvast bedankt!
New sailor, living in Amsterdam, limited Dutch skills (het spijt me...)
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 01:38 #1016269

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A SRC (short range certificate) is absolutely valid in NL and as this is a UK certificat exams are in english
Search for SRC here on the forum and you will find a lot of info about it
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 08:07 #1016284

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benthic schreef :
Hello (and again i apologise for the english-written post).

I would like to know what are the rules regarding VHF in The Netherlands, since i bought a sailboat with a registered VHF but personally i have no certificate yet to operate it. The VHF has a callsign associated with the boat's name, and the former owner told me that i should keep it always on although i am just allowed to passively listen, but until i have the certificate i cannot operate it actively (i can listen but not talk unless on a distress situation).

I was searching for the legislation regarding it, and as usual in all maritime law it's all a bit a grey area: would an international certificate (like RYA) conducted in English be valid to operate VHF in NL waters?

Since my grasp of the Dutch language is absolutely not yet advanced enough for such a complex course, i would like to know if someone has some knowledge about the rules and international certificates also valid in The Netherlands, and if i need to present them to the authorities so my boat's VHF is assigned to me.

Another question is regarding the boat's name: my intention is to change the name of the boat after summer, should i also change it with the Agentschap Telecom and the insurance company? What is the procedure to change the name of a boat?

PS: the boat in question is a Dutch built, small 28 foot sailing yacht from 1978, a Fellowship 28

Alvast bedankt!

Changing the vessels name should not prove to be to difficult to do, just inform the insurance, the "Agentschap Telecom" and if it is registered the appropriate instance that manage that information.
This is correct if you will still be sailing under the Dutch flag, I You are going to be sailing under a different flag you will have to talk to the authorities of that country.
I run a tight . . .
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 08:09 #1016286

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My first advice for you would be to learn to understand the Dutch language. Listening to a VHF in the Netherlands is useless if you don't understand what is said.
Laatst bewerkt: 26 jan 2019 08:09 door Wadloper.
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 08:21 #1016289

lodewijk stegman schreef :
My first advice for you would be to learn to understand the Dutch language. Listening to a VHF in the Netherlands is useless if you don't understand what is said.

Tot strart with this online Dutch course may be useful :
apps.babbel.com/en/lp-test-tru...X2WEkI8aArKyEALw_wcB
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 08:34 #1016295

And most likely you will be replied to in English.. :)
Don't worry to much about it. You will have a good time here.

The SRC is a good advise. The you are ceritified in one day.
Ontwerper van de RoosMux, en andere apparaatjes.
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It's been said that a boat is a vessel continually looking for ways to sink itself..
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 08:41 #1016297

From your post I take it that the VHF is still registered (at Agentschap Telekom) to the name of the previous owner?
If so, that is not a situation that is allowed.
The callsign (AB1234-like) has to be registered to you and to the boat (name of boat).
Using someone else's call sign can lead to an interesting fine of 500 euro.
The previous owner has to take action and end his registration with Agentschap Telekom.

Also, just listening to the VHF without a proper licence (SRC or similar Dutch versions) is NOT allowed. Even just having the VHF on board is not allowed. Fines also same level as mentioned earlier.
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Laatst bewerkt: 26 jan 2019 08:45 door Baasklusje.
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 08:52 #1016305

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roozeboos schreef :
And most likely you will be replied to in English.. :)
Don't worry to much about it. You will have a good time here.

Sure Benthic wil have a good time. After all this is the Netherlands. And it's easy to ignore the Dutch language, as most people you meet will switch to English the moment they notice that you don't speak Dutch. Most, not all.
But local weather information and general navigational information on inland waters will be in Dutch. And any specific calls will be in Dutch too, at first.
And after all, if you plan to stay in the Netherlands for longer than a year or so, it's just nice to have some knowledge of the language. People will love you for it.
The SRC is a good advise. The you are ceritified in one day.

Yes, although Benthic should be aware that the SRC is a certificate for use of an DSC-VHF. I hope the material they use on Dutch courses is in English..
Laatst bewerkt: 26 jan 2019 08:56 door Wadloper.
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 08:55 #1016308

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To be clear: the Dutch Ofcom = Agentschap Telecom.



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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 09:13 #1016312

www.aquaplanning.org/marifoon/...rc-marcom-b-in-1-dag

The SRC course is also offered in English :)
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 10:09 #1016336

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and SRC allows you to operate at high power at sea, the use of DSC and for example Epirb. The SRC is worth a lot more compaired to the dutch basic certificate and equals Marcom B.
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 11:14 #1016363

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Brexit? Geldt SRC dan nog?
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 11:18 #1016366

wacht nu eerst maar af of het wel door gaat..
MAy doet er alles aan om haar gezicht te redden met een remain.
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Laatst bewerkt: 26 jan 2019 11:18 door Account op verzoek verwijderd 13.
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 11:18 #1016368

Dat is waarschijnlijk een van de honderden zaken die nog steeds niet uitgezocht zijn.
Daarom wordt het ook zo'n puinhoop na de Brexit.
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 12:11 #1016390

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Is SRC dan gelijkgesteld aan Marcom B op basis van EU lidmaatschap van het land waar de examenregels zijn opgesteld?
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 19:06 #1016602

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Thanks for all the (really) helpful information!

I will take care of the VHF case and talk to the old owner so he unregisters, i was totally unaware of the consequences! :/
Do you think that if i leave the VHF off i still get the fine, or should i actually physically remove it from the boat or stow it away on a drawer until i have my certificate? The old owner gave me completely inaccurate information regarding that...

And of course i will learn Dutch: i already had a short introduction course and i can follow a bit some conversations, especially if i know the subject, meaning that as a passive listener I can follow some things already. But truth be told, it's so hard to practice my Dutch since - as it has been told before - most people have perfect english skills and will switch immediately: that doesn't leave a lot of room for practice, and all expats in The Netherlands feel the same, they want to practice but it's complicated because your english is so good :D Of course then you have the lazy expats who don't really make an effort... but that's another case.

And finally, mega thanks for the SRC tip, i'll try to do it ASAP, if it's valid in The Netherlands and it's taught in English, than its just what im looking for.

Cheers!
New sailor, living in Amsterdam, limited Dutch skills (het spijt me...)
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 22:32 #1016661

Beauty schreef :
Brexit? Geldt SRC dan nog?

Ja. SRC wordt geregeld door CEPT verdrag, staat geheel buiten Europese Unie. Ook niet Europese landen kunnen dit verdrag ondertekenen.
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VHF regels? 26 jan 2019 22:35 #1016663

koko schreef :
Is SRC dan gelijkgesteld aan Marcom B op basis van EU lidmaatschap van het land waar de examenregels zijn opgesteld?

Nee. SRC is geldig tot 200 BRT en tot 12 passagiers, Marcom-B is geldig boven deze grenzen. Wat je ermee mag ligt vast in CEPT ERC 04-31, landen bepalen dit niet zelf.
“A good engineer gets stale very fast if he doesn’t keep his hands dirty.”
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